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Dog and cat fur trade thingy
Did anyone else watch that peta heather McCartney programme on the fur trade. I found it absolutely shocking the footage of the mistreatment of the
dogs and cats, in once scene a guy threw this cage, packed with cats from the top of a lorry onto the ground. Poor little cats and dogs .
Also it showed the people buying furs in New York, now I know the fur+ people represented in this programme would be a biased view, but they were the
most shallow god awful people. They were just horrible.
What are your views on the fur trade?
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Like I've said before in these discussions, I'm happy to wear fur if and when the climate dictates, or as part of a costume ( I'm LARPer ) AS LONG AS
it's come from a humane source. Sadly, a lot of fur in the industry is not from a humane source - fur farms are notorious for thier appalling
conditions, and the animals are bred solely for their fur. Leather is not a by-product of meat production either, as some people seem to think - and
the softer the leather, the younger the animal was when it was killed.
I was wondering about the fur used in film costume, too....where do they get their fur from ?? As a costumier to some degree, I like to use natural
materials and this includes fur if I can get it cheap ! For one or two rabbit skins, I'm not going to worry too much about where it comes from to be
honest. But for most things, there are some beautiful fake furs out there.......
And fur production is no worse than battery hen farming, for all you people who get on their soapbox and buy battery eggs....even if you don't, you'll
still bebuying things with battery eggs in.....
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I wear non animal fur a little bit (ie synthetic produced crap) but I find the idea of wearing some dead animals carcass totally revolting. I saw a
bit of the programme and it was horrible. Why are people so mean 
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I'd wear second hand fur, ie. if i found it in a charity shop or something.
yes, i know theres alot of double standards as i still wear leather shoes (not sure if the cows are treated as badly as fur animals), and even though
i buy free range eggs, i suppose if i buy ready meals, or even a jar of mayonaise or something there's no way of knowing where the eggs came from. but
i try.
when it comes down to it if you wear going to boycott every product that could have come from animal cruelty it'd be so difficult to get buy, you'd
pretty much have to turn vegan. also, i had a friend in school who was boycotting nestle and proctor& gamble cos she heard they both tested on
animals (not nestle choc obviously, but other branches of the company or something) and it was incredible the amount of products those 2 companies
own..
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i tend not to wear fur. not for a particular reason just that it doesnt suit me etc......
i saw the last half hour of the programme and although i can see what the furrier was saying about fur giving you warmth etc is it really nessecary
when you can wear a jumper and a coat or something? plus it really doesnt look good.
i also didnt like the treatment of the animals in cages but it said something at the end about china looking into thier fur trade and how the animals
are treated so hopefully things like that will be greatly reduced (im presumeing itll never be gotten totaly rid of as many things never really
are)
i did think that heather mc cartney was a bit ott on her campaigning but i dont really like her anyway!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by babyemily
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there not mean,they are poor.If my only source of income and there fore there only means of housing and feeding them selves and family ,I would have
no second thoughts about doing that.
Its a capatist world and at the end of the day people wont fur and these poeople will supply a lot of it at very low prices.Why should they care about
the kittens and puppies?they are animals and these people need money.
I like KFC,most of those chickens never see day light and live in a tiny box all there lives.
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I suppose in that situation its a fair comment... if its a choice between killing animals and your family starving then the choice is obvious.. and
the problem really lies with the people who want the fur, and the people at the top getting rich from fur, not just getting by., but is KFC really the
same situation?
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I have a flyer an animal rights group were handing out ,outside of KFC and the living conditions are terrible ,Horrific even.
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i meant, would you class KFC workers as the same: they have no choice, its that or starve etc, or would they find it easier to get a more humane job?
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Well alot of these factory farms are in the third world,they ship the prime meat to the 1st world.With live stock however ,the human diet has changed
alot in the pat 100 years and the fact is there isnt enough land to support the human population if we go back to basics with purly organic farming.So
i suppose as a food source its more forgivable.But the animals are treat just as badly,and the poor are just as poor.
Britain has a rather high opinion of animals then most nations,and its not right to judge them by our standereds.
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Yeah I get your point about the difference between "mean" and "poor". KFC supposed to be pretty crap as far as treating its chickens is concerned- i
never found out if it was just scare mongering but there were those articles a while ago about KFC breeding chickens with 2 and 3 breasts for more
meat (I have no idea if thats even possible, just going off something I read) I remember around year 9/10 at school someone in my year tried to
organise a nestle boycott, its unbelievable all the things you would have to avoid though- for example loreal hair products and maybelline makeup.
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Then whose standards do we judge them by ? I see being poor as no excuse for deliberate and excessive cruelty.
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i noticed the other day on something i was eating (possibly mcdonalds?) that it had on.... all dairy products are free range.
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Loreal iirc was until recently owned by some French vetches(sp?) nazi lovers , nestle has its fingers in a lot of pie and so has quite a varied amount
of inhumane practices.
As for KFC one of the lamas has spoken out about there Factories.
Its easy to be judgmental when you are privileged to be born into one of the richest and pampered countries in the world.
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I geuss sitting here in my warm house its pretty easy to condemn the people who exploit animals.....but if I was starving and had a family to provide
for....maybe I'd be viewing things a little differently. You can't really know until your put in that situation I suppose. Although a part of me would
like to think I'd never exploit/be so cruel to anything like that.
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you can not judge them at all,you have not live their lives nor suffered their hardships.The problem with the world is people look at others and think
i don't agree with what you do ,so therefore your wrong and my way is the only way.Bollox,nothing is ever black and white.
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yeah, if you've grown up somewhere where food isn't as freely available you'll grow up to see animals as a source of food, as you cant afford to be
soft hearted about it.
oh, and nic, when things say 'free range' its still not that good... it just means they arent in battery cages. they could still be hundreds of
chickens squashed into one pen, but because they can sort of move around they can be classed as free range. theres another phrase thats better than
free range, but i cant remember what it is
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Barn Eggs are the best,they have loads of room to run around and can go out side and stuff when ever they like.They taste better and are less liquid
like then other eggs.
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so......someone tell me where throwing cages full of live animals off lorries is justifiable because someone's poor and needs to make a living ? I
think we can make a living and not go THAT far with the cruelty...oh and I'll judge all I like, it's my privilege
[Edited on 20-4-2006 by Vox]
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They see it as a product,they may deal with hundreds if not thousands of animals a year,they will gt desensitized to the whole think ,there probably
trying to get there job done for the day so they can go home to their shack,each there 40g of rice and hide the 2 dollars they made that day .When
human life is a bare existence why give a shit about an ANIMALS Suffering?
Yes its your privilege to judge those those who are poor and desperate and how low they can go in order to survive.These people living in such a manor
are the reason you live in luxury.
I have one skin product,its a leather jacket thats 35 years old,I got shit loads more use out of it then the cow did....
Go here to read about Hen growth,Read the part under the cock chicks if you want to be ill :S
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Updownstrangecharm
.These people living in such a manor are the reason you live in luxury.
[Edited on 20-4-2006 by Updownstrangecharm] |
they live in a manor ?? Bloody hell, and there's me living in a shithole.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Vox
| Quote: | Originally posted by Updownstrangecharm
.These people living in such a manor are the reason you live in luxury.
[Edited on 20-4-2006 by Updownstrangecharm] |
they live in a manor ?? Bloody hell, and there's me living in a shithole. |
omg i made a spelling mistake,my opinions and argument are dashed upon the rocks like so much flotsam.Shit hole is 2 words.
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To be brutally honest, you don't really know what you're talking about either, as I assume you've never lived like these fur farmers. And we're
talking about ALL fur farming....which goes on in this country and others like us, with all the cruelty with it......so what I'm saying is, the
cruelty is not justified. You don't get to the point where you're that desentized by it regardless of your lifestyle/conditions, unless you're
inclined towards cruelty in the first place. The cruelty isn't necessary, even if the farming is.
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Humans are still quite savage aren't they. I eat meat and wear leather (when I can afford to.) Although I didn't for 12 years of my life, until I
started to feel like my lack of cruelty was disadvantaging me.
Being involved in meat and leather production is only a small step further, and fur is only a little way past that.
I'd rip the heads off kittens if it was the only way to feed my kids, but the situation is never so black and white, so I expect it's usually a
personal cost/benefit decision weighing the economic benefit against the cost in unpleasantness.
If you like.
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in this country, yes its cruel. and I'd like to think even if i lived in a 3rd world country I may have a job like that but I wouldn't be throwing
boxes of animals around, but then i dont know how i'd act in that situation.
imagine you were stuck on a desert island or something. you have no food, theres no nice coconuts or fruit trees, any plants around u are probably
poisonous, but there are lots of cute fluffy animals, and you have a knife. what are u gonna do? you might not get completely desensitised, but you'd
get a bit more used to killing to survive.
if working in a fur/meat farm in the third world was the only way you could feed your family you'd do it and you would get used to it, but it doesnt
mean you're a cruel person.
its the people higher up who decide on the cruel conditions the animals are kept in, and they might not even be that well off themselves, but thats
different
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